[FelineFreddie]

Well, they’re not exactly inventory, but in-transit.

Still, it’s a promising sign!

 

[JayEM]

I just saw some dealers in US announcing inventories for the Solterra. Don't know if this info is up to date.

Maybe they are get prep for the big announcement?

New Subaru Vehicles For Sale | Near Boston at Subaru of Wakefield

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Good catch!

 

[JayEM]

Well, they’re not exactly inventory, but in-transit.

Still, it’s a promising sign!

With actual VINs!

 

[JoeShark]

Showing about 67 cars on Cars.com (I'm assuming all in-transit and none on actual dealer lots).

And one with a $5,000 ADM already, haha.

 

[voxel]

I put down a $1,000 refundable deposit on a Q4 e-tron back in February of this year. With the deposit, my dealer guaranteed me M.S.R.P. pricing once the car becomes available (I would have to do a build unless they had a car coming in that fit what I wanted).

Now move forward to two weeks ago. They had a demo come in that I went down to test drive. Nice car but since I first put the deposit down back in February, Audi has raised the price twice and the Fed Rebate is most likely gone. My cost on getting the Q4 e-tron has basically gone up $12,500 ($7,500 loss of Fed Rebate plus around a $5,000 price increase). Will probably pass on it and wait to see when the ID4 that I also ordered comes in (since that will still qualify for the Fed rebate) since both are essentially the same car but with a price delta that's now pretty significant.

Here's a pic of the demo I drove.

I would never say the ID.4 is the same as the Q4. It’s like comparing the RAV4 Prime to the Lexus NX version. The Lexus IS premium and has vastly better tech (uses next gen infotainment- same one as the Solterra I think). The R4P feels like it’s from 2012…like when they started introducing backup cameras.

The ID.4 is a cheaper Solterra. Budgety everything with ear bleeding audio and glitchy tech. More range than the Solterra and faster charging. For some the $7500 price delta is significant between the ID.4 and Solterra but also some folks won’t qualify for the EV tax credit because of income limits and so the price is equivalent to them.

 

[JoeShark]

I would never say the ID.4 is the same as the Q4. It’s like comparing the RAV4 Prime to the Lexus NX version. The Lexus IS premium and has vastly better tech (uses next gen infotainment- same one as the Solterra I think). The R4P feels like it’s from 2012…like when they started introducing backup cameras.

The ID.4 is a cheaper Solterra. Budgety everything with ear bleeding audio and glitchy tech. More range than the Solterra and faster charging. For some the $7500 price delta is significant between the ID.4 and Solterra but also some folks won’t qualify for the EV tax credit because of income limits and so the price is equivalent to them.

Agree the ID.4 isn't exactly the same as the Q4 but here's the price difference I'm looking at (approximate numbers):

ID.4 AWD Pro S - $53K less $7.5K = $45.4K.
Q4 Premium Plus Convenience Package - $57K less no rebate = $57K.
Solterra Limited - $50K less no rebate = $50K.

So the ID.4 will run me around $11.5K less then the Q4 and around $4.5K less then the Solterra. I like the Q4 but to save around $11K for basically the same underpinnings, I'll take the ID.4

 

[voxel]

Agree the ID.4 isn't exactly the same as the Q4 but here's the price difference I'm looking at (approximate numbers):

ID.4 AWD Pro S - $53K less $7.5K = $45.4K.
Q4 Premium Plus Convenience Package - $57K less no rebate = $57K.
Solterra Limited - $50K less no rebate = $50K.

So the ID.4 will run me around $11.5K less then the Q4 and around $4.5K less then the Solterra. I like the Q4 but to save around $11K for basically the same underpinnings, I'll take the ID.4

I think the Solterra Limited is closer to a ID.4 Pro S Plus at $55K. Not the same per se... because the ID.4 has a larger battery and faster charging. I declined the 2022 Pro S Gradient AWD because it was not much of an upgrade on the 2021 ID.4 (I wanted HUD, 360 camera, premium audio - not available in 2022). The 2023 Pro S Plus has the 360 camera and premium audio missing from 2022.

Honestly at $57K... I'd buy a Nissan Ariya Platinum+ which I think might win a few car of the year awards. It's loaded with full set of features (HUD, 360 camera, hands-free driving, digital rear view mirror, ventilated seats, premium audio, etc), comfortable, has good range with the 87 kWh battery, and has a near luxury interior. My 2022 ID.4 test drive basically confirmed I should decline it but my Ariya test drive confirmed I wanted one (still cheaper than a Model Y). The fact that it isn't bad on the glitchy VW MEB platform is also a big bonus

Also at $58K is the Genesis GV60 Advanced which I'd also pick over the Q4. All of these options are still $8K cheaper than a Model Y.

 

[JoeShark]

voxel, thanks for the reply and great information. I probably most bummed about the Q4 because when I first put down my deposit and reservation back in February of this year, I was thinking my cost for the car would be around $43.5K (M.S.R.P. back then was $51K less the $7.5 rebate). Now at around $57K, yeah, some other cars to look at.

If I wanted to stay around the price of the ID.4 AWD Pro S (and features on that car is more than adequate), what car would you consider that my net cost (so factoring in getting a rebate or not) is around $45K?

 

[massolterra]

I just saw some dealers in US announcing inventories for the Solterra. Don't know if this info is up to date.

Maybe they are get prep for the big announcement?

New Subaru Vehicles For Sale | Near Boston at Subaru of Wakefield

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Wait, what??!!?? That's my dealership and that harbor mist limited might be mine... Last I heard from them there was no vin yet. 🤔

 

[voxel]

voxel, thanks for the reply and great information. I probably most bummed about the Q4 because when I first put down my deposit and reservation back in February of this year, I was thinking my cost for the car would be around $43.5K (M.S.R.P. back then was $51K less the $7.5 rebate). Now at around $57K, yeah, some other cars to look at.

If I wanted to stay around the price of the ID.4 AWD Pro S (and features on that car is more than adequate), what car would you consider that my net cost (so factoring in getting a rebate or not) is around $45K?

In 2023? (and assuming you are under income limited) Basically it’s only the US built ID.4 unless Tesla releases a RWD Model Y for low/mid 50s.

Bolt is too small but it’s a great bargain even without tax credit and the Mach-E just had major price increases. The AWD Standard Range with 71 kWh at $58K would be comparable but with lower range of course and long wait times. There aren’t many choices because of the NA assembly rule. The base Korean E-GMP EVs were already overpriced (before markup) and low on features. Now without the tax credit they are even worse deals.

 

[JoeShark]

In 2023? (and assuming you are under income limited) Basically it’s only the US built ID.4 unless Tesla releases a RWD Model Y for low/mid 50s.

Bolt is too small but it’s a great bargain even without tax credit and the Mach-E just had major price increases. The AWD Standard Range with 71 kWh at $58K would be comparable but with lower range of course and long wait times. There aren’t many choices because of the NA assembly rule. The base Korean E-GMP EVs were already overpriced (before markup) and low on features. Now without the tax credit they are even worse deals.

Thanks. Trying to convince my wife of the Bolt EUV but she's stuck on having a car with AWD (even though she really doesn't need it and if it snows, I drive her to work anyway).

 

[442]

Thanks. Trying to convince my wife of the Bolt EUV but she's stuck on having a car with AWD (even though she really doesn't need it and if it snows, I drive her to work anyway).

That’s why I am really hopeful for the Equinox. It is super-nice looking and supposed to be similar in price to the Bolt EUV (I would go so far as to say it’s a replacement vehicle). I have written to GM many times over decades telling them that I really want to buy one of their products but they refuse to offer AWD. Now with EV essentially making AWD a no-brainer it may actually happen.

 

[voxel]

Thanks. Trying to convince my wife of the Bolt EUV but she's stuck on having a car with AWD (even though she really doesn't need it and if it snows, I drive her to work anyway).

Buy the Bolt EUV and trust me you won’t lose money unless your state doesn’t have tax savings for trade ins. It has an incredible amount of power even with FWD and generally is loaded with modern features. The $25K used EV credit will keep the value around that range in two years even if you keep it.

 

[JoeShark]

Buy the Bolt EUV and trust me you won’t lose money unless your state doesn’t have tax savings for trade ins. It has an incredible amount of power even with FWD and generally is loaded with modern features. The $25K used EV credit will keep the value around that range in two years even if you keep it.

Thanks. Trying to get it without the $3K ADM dealers within 200 miles of where I live are asking.

 

[poodlemaster]

So you guys have bailed on a Solterra?

 

[JoeShark]

So you guys have bailed on a Solterra?

Haven't bailed yet. My order is still in place and will wait until the car arrives and my wife (the car is actually for her) has a chance to test drive it. By that time, if we cannot guarantee that we will get the $7,500 Fed Rebate, then yes, we will bail on the car and get our $250 deposit back.

 

[poodlemaster]

Yeah the tax credit thing is screwing you guys up rather badly.

 

[md.]

Wait, what??!!?? That's my dealership and that harbor mist limited might be mine... Last I heard from them there was no vin yet. 🤔

Call them up and find out what's going on!

 

[Bam]

Wait, what??!!?? That's my dealership and that harbor mist limited might be mine... Last I heard from them there was no vin yet. 🤔

Ive read of a lot of dealers in the states selling customers orders when they come in to people willing to pay stupid markups

 

[StevenH]

I know; I keep going around and around. All the non-Tesla DCFC around here (PG) are 50 kW or less anyway.

Doesn't really matter about DCFCs locally, since you just charge at home. It matters starting at least 100 miles from home on long road trips.