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Received my VIN yesterday from dealership in Phoenix. Delivery is listed as "Month of September 2022".but I have my doubts. Any thoughts?
 

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My mistake. Looking at the email closer, I have a VON -- not a VIN. I assume the VON is Vehicle Order Number.
Oh, oops. You get the VON the moment the order is confirmed from Subaru. A VIN would be exciting to receive at this point. Production is suspended through August, so I'd be surprised to hear of any new VINs being communicated before September.
 

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If it's defective, it will be fixed. Did you get a dealer to offer to sell you their demo/loaner vehicle? Are you able to enter your VIN into the app and get any information?
 

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I got a VIN for my Solterra which was due in July. But doesn’t this mean it’s one of the defective cars- since it was built early?
They will not deliver the vehicle to you without the recall issue having been remediated.
 

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If it's defective, it will be fixed. Did you get a dealer to offer to sell you their demo/loaner vehicle? Are you able to enter your VIN into the app and get any information?
Legit question - how turned off is everyone after wheelgate - if at all? Will you still stick with a Solterra knowing that there seems to be a major issue with the wheels on the car? If this issue (wheels falling off for whatever reason) or a variation of this issue comes up again, are you cool with driving the car?
 

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I’m not worried at all about the wheel issue. It’s gotten lots of visibility and when a “fix” has been identified and implemented, you can be reasonably assured it will be effective… simply put, the legal liability of pushing vehicles to the market with an untried and untested fix of a well-known problem would, shall we say, be “problematic” for the manufacturer.

The more concerning thing I see is how this new legislation covering tax credits, and the specifications needed to qualify for new EV credits may cause the exact opposite effect the bill authors intended. By 2024, according to an article on Politico, there isn’t a single EV made today that would qualify for. tax credits.

I can easily see a scenario in which EV makers simply shift their EV sales efforts away from the US market and concentrate their efforts in the short term (next 2-3 years) to markets in Europe and Asia that aren’t playing the “tax credit game” with manufacturers. The demand in those markets is certainly there… and large enough to consume the available production levels most manufacturers currently have online today.

EVs will, without a doubt, be a part of the US market, but unless there’s some adjustment period (again, 2-3 years) to give manufacturers the time to come into compliance, a dramatic slowdown of EV offerings may be a real possibility.

As it directly relates to the bZ4x/Solterra, it would be the perfect time for the manufacturers to pull those models from the US and move the production units elsewhere…

This legislation could end up being a real stumbling block for domestic EV sales over the next 2-3 years…
 

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I'm not turned off the the wheel issue/recall as far as a defect in the vehicle. I'm sure that will be fully resolved and not be an issue aside from the delay. I have been, however, very turned off by Subaru's complete lack of acknowledgement and communication about the issue. My dealer didn't even know anything about it, so I wouldn't know anything about it if I didn't participate in this and other forums. Subaru has the email address of every single person who had a reservation, which is probably 99% of all orders and they've chosen to have zero communication. I would assume that they would have people at Corporate that would monitor social media and forums like this, but I can't imagine they read what's going on and still decide it's best to leave everyone in the dark.

Add that to the complete lack of planning and information during the ordering process and I've been very disappointed in Subaru with this rollout. I know there's a risk with the first iteration of a vehicle and being the first full EV from Toyota/Subaru, probably even more so. But I thought that going with a company, Toyota (and Subaru, too), with a great reputation for quality and reliability and Subaru, with their reputation for great customer service, I was comfortable going with the Solterra. Honestly, I expected there to be some type of recall at some point and probably to have some weird issues with either the EV system or even infotainment that my local Subaru retailer would struggle to resolve, but I really thought the retailer (who has always been great!) and Subaru would make things right. Now, I'm not so sure. I guess we'll need to see how the next month or so shakes out.

Actually, this would have been a great separate topic. I'm interested in what others think, too. I'll repost if you create a new topic.
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Legit question - how turned off is everyone after wheelgate - if at all?
 

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I get that, but how many recalls are there for the possibility of all wheels falling off, especially from a company that’s supposed to have a sterling reputation for quality.

whether Toyobaru fixes this is irrelevant to how this could happen in the first place and the fact that is happens at all. I can see a recall for a part out of tolerance (is that the wheel bolts ?) or a software issue, but if you flunk the basics of attaching wheels to the car, that’s not saying much about the rest of the engineering and relatability if the car. This is not an attack on Toyobaru, but I see a lot of posts saying “oh, it’ll be fine, they will fix it”. Great if they do, but that’s their job or they won’t sell cars. If I’m paying $50 for a car, at a minimum the wheels should stay on. Whether ir not a fix is coming is one issue. Another is the lack of any communications from Subaru. You can go “duh, there are no Subarus in customers’ hands” - again, I get that as well.
but if you are on this forum, you presumably know that the wheels are falling off, the cars is a joint effort by Toyota and Subaru and no cars have been delivered and nothing has been communicated by Subaru.
To the OPs, a short email like “hey, as you may be aware, there is a delay in the Solterra delivery due to…..”

communication goes a long way here.
 

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Legit question - how turned off is everyone after wheelgate - if at all? Will you still stick with a Solterra knowing that there seems to be a major issue with the wheels on the car? If this issue (wheels falling off for whatever reason) or a variation of this issue comes up again, are you cool with driving the car?
I don't think there's any evidence that a wheel has ever fallen off of a Solterra. When they remedy the potential for that, I'll be delighted to drive this car.⚡
 

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I’m not worried at all about the wheel issue. It’s gotten lots of visibility and when a “fix” has been identified and implemented, you can be reasonably assured it will be effective… simply put, the legal liability of pushing vehicles to the market with an untried and untested fix of a well-known problem would, shall we say, be “problematic” for the manufacturer.

The more concerning thing I see is how this new legislation covering tax credits, and the specifications needed to qualify for new EV credits may cause the exact opposite effect the bill authors intended. By 2024, according to an article on Politico, there isn’t a single EV made today that would qualify for. tax credits.

I can easily see a scenario in which EV makers simply shift their EV sales efforts away from the US market and concentrate their efforts in the short term (next 2-3 years) to markets in Europe and Asia that aren’t playing the “tax credit game” with manufacturers. The demand in those markets is certainly there… and large enough to consume the available production levels most manufacturers currently have online today.

EVs will, without a doubt, be a part of the US market, but unless there’s some adjustment period (again, 2-3 years) to give manufacturers the time to come into compliance, a dramatic slowdown of EV offerings may be a real possibility.

As it directly relates to the bZ4x/Solterra, it would be the perfect time for the manufacturers to pull those models from the US and move the production units elsewhere…

This legislation could end up being a real stumbling block for domestic EV sales over the next 2-3 years…
I am not sure you understand the “Inflation Reduction Act” and tax credits. Yes, it makes changes, but I don’t think the bill will “do the exact opposite” of what it’s intended to do. (Link to the Politico article please.)
IRA EV cars need to made in the US (many already are) for 1/2 the tax credit. The other 1/2 of the tax credit for batteries may be more of a challenge though.
Of course this does not help people who are buying the bz4x or Solterra because they are made in Japan with Chinese batteries.
Not sure, but if you get either car in 2022 you may be grandfathered in to the former tax code.
 

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I don't think there's any evidence that a wheel has ever fallen off of a Solterra. When they remedy the potential for that, I'll be delighted to drive this car.⚡
There IS no evidence that it has fallen off the Solterra, but since the bz4x is the same car and at least one confirmed case of the wheel falling off exists (or they would not be a) recall and b) repurchase), the POSSIBILITY exists that IF A SOLTERRA were to be in a customer's hands the wheel COULD fall off.
 

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I am not sure you understand the “Inflation Reduction Act” and tax credits.
You may not understand it.

IRA EV cars need to made in the US (many already are) for 1/2 the tax credit. The other 1/2 of the tax credit for batteries may be more of a challenge though.
3 hoops have to be jumped through:

1. Final Assembly in North America (else, no credit at all)
2. $3,750: Critical minerals for battery extracted or processed in countries with free trade agreements with U.S. to the specified minimum value percentages, or recycled in North America.
3. $3,750: Battery components manufactured or assembled in North America to the specified minimum value percentages.

Not sure, but if you get either car in 2022 you may be grandfathered in to the former tax code.
If you have a written, binding contract to purchase prior to 1/1/23, and you place your vehicle into service on our after 1/1/23, you can elect to receive the credit as if you placed the vehicle into service prior to 1/1/23 under the tax credit provisions in place prior to 1/1/23. I doubt that any cancellable orders qualify as "binding."

Additionally, after 12/31/23, no credit at all if any battery components at all are manufactured or assembled by a foreign entity of concern (e.g., China). And after 12/31/24, no credit at all if any battery critical minerals at all are extracted, processed or recycled by a foreign entity of concern (e.g., China).
 
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