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Looks like I cancel my order April 25th!
Looks like I cancel my order April 25th!
We should start a post on why people are canceling their reservations.

I'm waiting on pricing to put the final nail in the coffin. I'm 80% set on canceling my reservation due to the 1hr DC fast charging time. I cannot have a 6hr road trip become a 9hr trip. I cannot have others wait for 1 hour for me to use the charger and I wouldn't want to get stuck behind one of these cars at a charging station either, my 6hr trip will become a 12hr trip..😂🤣😂.
 

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We should start a post on why people are canceling their reservations.

I'm waiting on pricing to put the final mail in the coffin. I'm 80% set on canceling my reservation due to the 1hr DC fast charging time. I cannot have a 6hr road trip become a 9hr trip. I cannot have others wait for 1 hour for me to use the charger and I wouldn't want to get stuck behind one of these cars at a charging station either, my 6hr trip will become a 12hr trip..😂🤣😂.
Probably many of our reservations are "soft." We had scarce information on Feb 8 when almost all of us made a reservation. With a fully refundable deposit, it was a no-risk move. Now we have almost all the info we need except pricing and dealer markup. (and an actual test drive would be nice). The fact that the Solterra qualifies for a $7500 tax rebate will be a large factor in mitigating its likely high price. That Subaru is offering 10 free days of renting another Subaru shows the validity of your misgivings about charging hassles on a long road trip.
 

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We should start a post on why people are canceling their reservations.

I'm waiting on pricing to put the final mail in the coffin. I'm 80% set on canceling my reservation due to the 1hr DC fast charging time. I cannot have a 6hr road trip become a 9hr trip. I cannot have others wait for 1 hour for me to use the charger and I wouldn't want to get stuck behind one of these cars at a charging station either, my 6hr trip will become a 12hr trip..😂🤣😂.
If you are looking for a trip car, the Solterra is not the best option for you.
 

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Probably many of our reservations are "soft." We had scarce information on Feb 8 when almost all of us made a reservation. With a fully refundable deposit, it was a no-risk move. Now we have almost all the info we need except pricing and dealer markup. (and an actual test drive would be nice). The fact that the Solterra qualifies for a $7500 tax rebate will be a large factor in mitigating its likely high price. That Subaru is offering 10 free days of renting another Subaru shows the validity of your misgivings about charging hassles on a long road trip.
Just need one to cancel from my local retailer to have an opportunity to get in there ;)
 

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If you want fast charging for trips, you will have a lot more options in 2025. Right now only the Ioniq 5 and EV6 offer that in the affordable range.
 

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Yup, I already have a city EV.

Looks like the KIA EV6 would be a better choice of a well rounded EV with federal tax incentives. If VW adds a heat pump on their AWD models, in the US, they would be next on my list.
An EV6 or Ioniq 5 would handle both city and trip needs. But the Solterra is the only one right now with off-road capabilities. I have both an Ioniq 5 and a Solterra on pre-order. They will complement my needs. And we need 2 vehicles anyway in our household.
 

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An EV6 or Ioniq 5 would handle both city and trip needs. But the Solterra is the only one right now with off-road capabilities. I have both an Ioniq 5 and a Solterra on pre-order. They will complement my needs. And we need 2 vehicles anyway in our household.
My needs in an EV are somewhat complicated, as I’m sure is true for many potential buyers:
  • I don’t off-road, but I live in a rural area so I want at least 8” of ground clearance to get through snow drifts
  • I live in Ohio, not the west coast, so my income is likely a lot less than someone out there, which means a car price that someone in CA thinks is very affordable might be a lot less affordable to me
  • I would like to have a car good for commutes as well as trips, but until the public charging situation improves here in the mid-west, I’ll likely have to settle for commutes
  • < 30 minute DCFC from 10% to 80% sounds great to me, but if I have to choose, I’ll pick increased battery life over speedy charging since I would only be going on road trips once or twice a year
  • I want something that doesn’t stress me out with range anxiety, which is my biggest concern with the Solterra, but if what I’ve been hearing lately about real-world range vs EPA range is true, I might be good with what the Solterra will have, and being in a cold-weather state, having the heat pump would be nice
  • I need to get rid of my CrossTrek soon (lots of problems likely due to previous-owner abuse), and so timing is key… and I don’t see EVs getting cheaper anytime soon, so waiting a couple of years isn’t going to be an option if I want to move to an EV
  • I want a low maintenance vehicle… yeah, going with a first model EV is like being a guinea pig, but I figure Subaru has a good reputation to protect so they’re likely to baby us early adopters
 

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  • I want a low maintenance vehicle… yeah, going with a first model EV is like being a guinea pig, but I figure Subaru has a good reputation to protect so they’re likely to baby us early adopters
This is probably my greatest concern with the Solterra. But since it was developed with Toyota, and took a long time to come to market, I have a lot more confidence that will it will be a good and long term reliable product.

My current 2018 Crosstrek was a 1st year on a new platform and it has turned out to be a very good car. And the Kona BEV that I just sold (after 3 years and 48K kms), also was a good vehicle despite being a 1st year on the new EV platform. Both had some warranty recalls (incl a new battery for the Kona), but otherwise the vehicles were totally solid.

So I am hoping the Solterra will be good as well. I do expect recall fixes, as that seems to be the norm for all new cars these days.
 

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Besides all the oft-mentioned deficiencies of the Solterra, one of the main reasons I'll likely be cancelling is I don't plan to remain in this more urban area of Colorado with access to at least SOME L3 charging. I plan on moving back East, somewhere in the mountains, where the likelihood of L3 chargers and any trips beyond local would be out of the question.

Also, the future is 800V+, which will allow much faster charging speeds. I also read about some tech they are testing that would charge each cell individually, exponentially decreasing charging time. That would have to be designed into the battery, and is a little ways out though.
 

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Besides all the oft-mentioned deficiencies of the Solterra, one of the main reasons I'll likely be cancelling is I don't plan to remain in this more urban area of Colorado with access to at least SOME L3 charging. I plan on moving back East, somewhere in the mountains, where the likelihood of L3 chargers and any trips beyond local would be out of the question.

Also, the future is 800V+, which will allow much faster charging speeds. I also read about some tech they are testing that would charge each cell individually, exponentially decreasing charging time. That would have to be designed into the battery, and is a little ways out though.
Along the same line of thought about 800v batteries, I’m sure we’ll all look back on the 2022/2023 EVs as dinosaurs when SSBs or Sodium or Tech-X battery cars come out. :)
 

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Along the same line of thought about 800v batteries, I’m sure we’ll all look back on the 2022/2023 EVs as dinosaurs when SSBs or Sodium or Tech-X battery cars come out. :)
Exactly - if you played the waiting game for "the next big generation", you'd never purchase a vehicle and you'd always be waiting for the next one.

...also why I plan to lease the Solterra - if 3 years down the road it's still a great vehicle, I'll buy it out. If battery tech is WAY better, hand it back in and get the new one.
 

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I'm going forward with the purchase (assuming no ADM), although my only concern is the 100 kW L3 charging speed limitation. The car just seems to be awesome. Range is not a concern for road trips in cars that have 200+ miles rated range, since you don't fill your battery up and run it down. You just drive 90 minutes or so, and charge for 15-20 minutes in the bottom half of the battery pack. Much faster to stop more often and charge faster. I hope the charging curve is good for that battery and 100 kW max speed.
 
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