[R P]

The Hyundai Ioniq 5 Is the 2023 MotorTrend SUV of the Year

All hail the new king: The Ioniq 5 emerged from the largest, strongest SUV of the Year field in history to hoist the Golden Calipers.

www.motortrend.com

Doesn't meet my definition with the low clearance. But it is a compelling value compared to the Solterra if you don't need that.

 

[Marek Barinka]

We need to properly redefine car "type" terms. I think half of the time they call it "compact SUV". Why do we need size changing word? Isn't crossover by definition smaller SUV?
Škoda Fabia Combi in family has just slightly smaller ground clearance (Fabia about 14 cm, Ioniq 5 about 15,5 cm)
Also on first look I would never said it is SUV. Maybe crossover, more like normal hatchback

 

[n6nl]

“The Ioniq 5 is even a decently capable tow rig; 2023 models can tug up to 2,300 pounds. That's better than most of its compact crossover cohorts.”

And faster charging than the Solterra.

If only Toybaru manufactured it. I am not convinced there will be many on the road in ten years, and my first BEV I want to have last for twenty, so ”no” to the Kia and Hyundais.

 

[voxel]

Doesn't meet my definition with the low clearance. But it is a compelling value compared to the Solterra if you don't need that.

Yeah it's a hatchback. The true EV SUVs are rare... ID.4, XC40, Solterra/bz4x, iX, Hummer, Rivian. The somewhat SUVs are the Ariya, Model Y, etc. with about 7 inches of clearance. The rest are road cars.

 

[Ducatista]

Yeah it's a hatchback. The true EV SUVs are rare... ID.4, XC40, Solterra/bz4x, iX, Hummer, Rivian. The somewhat SUVs are the Ariya, Model Y, etc. with about 7 inches of clearance. The rest are road cars.

The ID4 is in the somewhat category also imo

 

[Snow Drift]

Model Y is 100% an SUV.

 

[R P]

Model Y is 100% an SUV.

Gotta ask... Why are you interested in the Solterra? You've got the Model Y, and have seen you say before you wouldn't do any off-roading with the Solterra. When compared to the Y, the Solterra has slow charging, can't get the $7500 tax credit, less interior room, less power, less range, and is not even really a Subaru. If you don't want it to go off-road there are many other better choices out there for an EV.

 

[Snow Drift]

Gotta ask... Why are you interested in the Solterra? You've got the Model Y, and have seen you say before you wouldn't do any off-roading with the Solterra. When compared to the Y, the Solterra has slow charging, can't get the $7500 tax credit, less interior room, less power, less range, and is not even really a Subaru. If you don't want it to go off-road there are many other better choices out there for an EV.

Happy to answer. We love the Model Y and also had a Model 3. Convinced my parents in FL to get a MY. We will buy more Teslas.

1) MY is a lease, ending soon, and we cannot buy it out.
2) New MY is about $15k more than my 2020
3) I’ve owned 6 Subarus since 2004
4) I’m a Subaru Ambassador

So, is it a downgrade? Yes. Is it the best alternative…eh, I can’t buy a Korean car and the ID.4 doesn’t one pedal drive. Non-starter.

There’s a good chance we won’t get the Solterra if it doesn’t lease well. I don’t want to spend more per month on it than my more expensive Giulia or equally priced old Model Y.

 

[md.]

So, is it a downgrade? Yes. Is it the best alternative…eh, I can’t buy a Korean car and the ID.4 doesn’t one pedal drive. Non-starter.

Doesn't the Solterra one-pedal drive just like the ID.4? Slows you down, but to stop, you need to put your foot on the brake?

 

[Snow Drift]

Doesn't the Solterra one-pedal drive just like the ID.4? Slows you down, but to stop, you need to put your foot on the brake?

No.

ID.4 does not slow down at all via throttle. It will coast until you use the brake pedal. Solterra S-Pedal mode will slow you down via throttle until 3mph or so. That is similar to Tesla OPD with Creep. I prefer Tesla OPD with Hold, full stop. So it’s 95% what I want.

 

[adventurelarry]

No.

ID.4 does not slow down at all via throttle. It will coast until you use the brake pedal. Solterra S-Pedal mode will slow you down via throttle until 3mph or so. That is similar to Tesla OPD with Creep. I prefer Tesla OPD with Hold, full stop. So it’s 95% what I want.

I test-drove the ID4 today and was surprised at how little the 'B' mode did for one-pedal driving. I have driven my brother's Tesla Model 3 and it is completely different. The ID4 was nice, and fully capable, though I suspect that without the heat pump it will have a much lower cold weather range than the Solterra. I was told to expect about a 40% reduction in range for the ID4.

 

[R P]

No.

ID.4 does not slow down at all via throttle.

Really?? I thought all EVs regened when you let off the pedal. Even my old Prius had that. My Kona worked really well with 3 levels. I always had it on level 3 and rarely ever used the brake pedal, only when I came to a stop so it wouldn't creep forward. Made for very enjoyable driving with instant variable control of your acceleration and braking, all with just the throttle pedal. And it was a very nimble city car to make quick and easy lane changes and easy in and out of round-abouts. Plus you get a lot of battery regen with that feature esp if you live in the mountains where I do.

My wife loved it, too. Both of us really hate driving ICE cars now, because when you let off the throttle, they just coast and coast and coast. That's probably what we missed most after we sold the Kona.

Why would anyone buy an ID.4 without that feature? I still can't believe it doesn't have it.

 

[R P]

Just spoke to an ID.4 owner. They DO have 1 pedal driving. It's called B brake mode. But it is pretty mild, and still need to use the brake pedal quite often in city driving. For me, that would not be good enough.

I like how the Kona worked, with setting your regen level for each drive mode (Normal, Eco and Sport). I always drove in Eco mode with level 3 regen. I hope the Solterra works similarly. When I take if for a test drive, that would be a deal breaker for me if it doesn't have strong enough regen.

 

[JayEM]

Really?? I thought all EVs regened when you let off the pedal. Even my old Prius had that. My Kona worked really well with 3 levels. I always had it on level 3 and rarely ever used the brake pedal, only when I came to a stop so it wouldn't creep forward. Made for very enjoyable driving with instant variable control of your acceleration and braking, all with just the throttle pedal. And it was a very nimble city car to make quick and easy lane changes and easy in and out of round-abouts. Plus you get a lot of battery regen with that feature esp if you live in the mountains where I do.

My wife loved it, too. Both of us really hate driving ICE cars now, because when you let off the throttle, they just coast and coast and coast. That's probably what we missed most after we sold the Kona.

Why would anyone buy an ID.4 without that feature? I still can't believe it doesn't have it.

I wouldn't say it doesn't have any regen, but less than what most EV drivers have come to expect. I test-drove an ID.4 for 48+ hours (about a year ago) and always used B instead of D. Compared to my i3 it had noticeably less regen, but I wouldn't say "none". I did notice the creep at traffic lights which was intentional on VW's part, to make it seem more "normal" to ICE drivers. The reason I canceled my ID.4 reservation and am still waiting for a Solterra has nothing to do with regen/creep etc. I just didn't like the interior feel and the UI/IX of the ID.4 (plus 4-time Subie owner, 0-time VW).

 

[R P]

I don't care about the creep when coming to a full stop. Using the brake while stopped is fine, and natural for me. It's when driving that I want to use only 1 pedal. The Kona had an Auto Hold button (I think that it is what it was called) to make it stop completely without touching the brake pedal. But I never used that.

 

[Snow Drift]

Really?? I thought all EVs regened when you let off the pedal. Even my old Prius had that. My Kona worked really well with 3 levels. I always had it on level 3 and rarely ever used the brake pedal, only when I came to a stop so it wouldn't creep forward. Made for very enjoyable driving with instant variable control of your acceleration and braking, all with just the throttle pedal. And it was a very nimble city car to make quick and easy lane changes and easy in and out of round-abouts. Plus you get a lot of battery regen with that feature esp if you live in the mountains where I do.

My wife loved it, too. Both of us really hate driving ICE cars now, because when you let off the throttle, they just coast and coast and coast. That's probably what we missed most after we sold the Kona.

Why would anyone buy an ID.4 without that feature? I still can't believe it doesn't have it.

VW thinks drivers want a watered down transition. Even Audi and Porsche make you use the brake pedal for real slowing.

 

[Snow Drift]

Just spoke to an ID.4 owner. They DO have 1 pedal driving. It's called B brake mode. But it is pretty mild, and still need to use the brake pedal quite often in city driving. For me, that would not be good enough.

I like how the Kona worked, with setting your regen level for each drive mode (Normal, Eco and Sport). I always drove in Eco mode with level 3 regen. I hope the Solterra works similarly. When I take if for a test drive, that would be a deal breaker for me if it doesn't have strong enough regen.

It’s not really OPD. B mode is for down hill. My Crosstrek PHEV had it. Yes it worked but the car was meant to be driven in D and then put into B for certain scenarios. I would however drive in B full time in snow. Using the brakes for regen was squirrelly.

 

[R P]

Yes, in snow had to reduce the regen level, esp when going downhill. The Kona was FWD, so slipping front wheels when going downhill or around a corner was not a good thing. But the Kona had paddles on the steering wheel, and with just a quick flick with your finger, you could reduce (to zero if you want) or increase your regen level. Hyundai had a very well designed feature with this. I assume the Ioniq 5 is the same.

 

[md.]

No.

ID.4 does not slow down at all via throttle. It will coast until you use the brake pedal. Solterra S-Pedal mode will slow you down via throttle until 3mph or so. That is similar to Tesla OPD with Creep. I prefer Tesla OPD with Hold, full stop. So it’s 95% what I want.

The B mode definitely does some regen braking when you lift your foot from the accelerator pedal. And it won't bring you to a complete stop. I don't know if doesn't do enough braking to be called one-pedal driving, but I could certainly use it to bring me almost to a stop. I assume that the Solterra will have modes that bring it to a (almost) stop faster than the ID.4.

My Bolt EUV has full one-pedal driving, where you don't have to use the brake pedal, but if that is not enabled, it will typically do up to 10kW of regen upon lifting the accelerator. I guess it's simulating the drag of an ICE. I'm pretty sure the ID.4 does more than that, but I wasn't really focused on that during my test drive.

 

[Snow Drift]

The B mode definitely does some regen braking when you lift your foot from the accelerator pedal. And it won't bring you to a complete stop. I don't know if doesn't do enough braking to be called one-pedal driving, but I could certainly use it to bring me almost to a stop. I assume that the Solterra will have modes that bring it to a (almost) stop faster than the ID.4.

My Bolt EUV has full one-pedal driving, where you don't have to use the brake pedal, but if that is not enabled, it will typically do up to 10kW of regen upon lifting the accelerator. I guess it's simulating the drag of an ICE. I'm pretty sure the ID.4 does more than that, but I wasn't really focused on that during my test drive.

Again, B mode isn’t really meant for all day driving. It’s for certain scenarios. OPD is all day, everyday, no nonsense.