[BillLin]

Using cars dot com to look, there are 11 limiteds within 150 miles of 01453 (Leominster, MA), 27 within 200 miles. I suppose that doesn't make what you said to be untrue. I don't have any preferred dealership so I don't know who has what without looking more closely.

I often see "desirable" cars in CT or NY/NJ, not useful usually for me in MA.

 

[Bandpear]

It’s hard for someone to be charging their vehicle only getting 35-65 kWh being parked next to some other guy that paid roughly the same price for his, yet watching his charge rate exceed 150kWh.

However, I agree with @n6nl, in that … exactly what would a class action lawsuit be premised upon?

Both Subaru/Toyota state you can charge from 20% to 80% in roughly an hour, which seems to be possible under ideal environmental conditions. Stating a maximum charge rate really doesn’t enter into the equation, as long as the maximum will allow for the indicated charging time period and charge percentage limit.

I’m certainly no happier about it that anyone else, but I don’t see that much can be done to change it, other than increased market pressure (read: poor sales volume attributed to this particular condition).

Well you are right, but if there are enough people who can statistically prove that regardless of their replication of lab conditions is wrong I think that at the very least make them consider , even if through an article . Let me think on how to approach that

 

[FelineFreddie]

I’ll be right with you and the first in-line if you can determine a sure-fire way to get Subaru/Toyota to enhance the charging speed. I just don’t see it happening, however.

 

[n6nl]

I‘ll be right behind @FelineFreddie .

 

[Bandpear]

I‘ll be right behind @FelineFreddie .

@FelineFreddie @n6nl ok .let us think about the spreadsheet that we need to fill to run stats on it , I am thinking we need these at the very least


Column 1 CarName : Random Carname per entry for privacy
Column 2 Firmware version : to control for variability in the firmware
Column 3 Battery Pack : CATL/Panasonic
Column 4 Date : When someone charged his car
Column 5 Time:
Column 6 City : which city
Column 7 Temperature : hopefully I can extract this field automatically from the columns 4,5,6
Column 6 USA/CANADA
Column 7 Network : which DC charging network ( Electrify america , evgo ... )
Column 8 Starting SOC %
Column 9 Ending SOC %
Column 10 Power : Can be multiple measurements or an average
Column 11 Max Power
Column 12 Charging time

What else?

 

[ragu]

@Joe Somontan has already started a spreadsheet. See this thread: https://www.solterraforum.com/threa...rging-advertised-in-subaru-solterra-brochure-100kw-dc-charge-rate.1748/#replies

 

[Bandpear]

@Joe Somontan has already started a spreadsheet. See this thread: https://www.solterraforum.com/threa...rging-advertised-in-subaru-solterra-brochure-100kw-dc-charge-rate.1748/#replies

Yes I am planning to build on that and make it an app for ease to use so people can participate more

 

[RossGGG]

Another thing Subaru/Toyota need to address is the 2 DCFC per-day limit. I just did a road trip from Los Angeles, CA to Santa Fe, NM and on the return trip I had to DCFC at the beginning of the trip because the overnight Level 1 charge did not get my SOC high enough for the first leg. I hit the 2 charge limit halfway through my drive for that day and then got excruciatingly slow charging speeds with stops taking 3+ hours to complete a charge even just from 15% - 64%. Other drivers were angry and yelling at me for sitting at a fast charger pulling near Level 1 charging speeds of 4 kw/h, which I can understand but I didn't have a choice unless I wanted to be stranded in the desert.

 

[ragu]

Another thing Subaru/Toyota need to address is the 2 DCFC per-day limit. I just did a road trip from Los Angeles, CA to Santa Fe, NM and on the return trip I had to DCFC at the beginning of the trip because the overnight Level 1 charge did not get my SOC high enough for the first leg. I hit the 2 charge limit halfway through my drive for that day and then got excruciatingly slow charging speeds with stops taking 3+ hours to complete a charge even just from 15% - 64%. Other drivers were angry and yelling at me for sitting at a fast charger pulling near Level 1 charging speeds of 4 kw/h, which I can understand but I didn't have a choice unless I wanted to be stranded in the desert.

Have you gotten the EEA23 software update? I think that issue has been fixed or at least improved upon!

 

[RossGGG]

Have you gotten the EEA23 software update? I think that issue has been fixed or at least improved upon!

I did get the software update as soon as it was available. The SOC shows on my dash and the guess-o-meter seems much more accurate, but the fast charging issues have not been mitigated at all.

 

[jmwk]

I did get the software update as soon as it was available. The SOC shows on my dash and the guess-o-meter seems much more accurate, but the fast charging issues have not been mitigated at all.

That's annoying to hear! I'd hoped they took care of that one.

 

[Joe Somontan]

Yes I am planning to build on that and make it an app for ease to use so people can participate more

Awesome! I’m looking forward to being part of a campaign to fix these concerns. I got my OBD reader too so it really helps with getting the data needed.

 

[n6nl]

… and then got excruciatingly slow charging speeds with stops taking 3+ hours to complete a charge even just from 15% - 64%. Other drivers were angry and yelling at me for sitting at a fast charger pulling near Level 1 charging speeds of 4 kw/h, which I can understand but I didn't have a choice unless I wanted to be stranded in the desert.

And this is where Toybaru seems to have exactly zero clue about what a monster they have created with this throttled and otherwise poor DCFC system.

 

[Joe Somontan]

Well, I can tell you that the 100kW DC fast charge isn't being reached. I have not seen anything in the 90s or close to 100kW being reported. Based on the 2 samples I've collected and hearing input from others, it seems that the 0% to 20% SOC range seems to be variable with peaks. Once you get to 30%, the curve appears to throttle to a set number. Not sure how Toyota's algorithm works. I'm using 350kW chargers for my data collecting.

 

[jg.]

Yes I am planning to build on that and make it an app for ease to use so people can participate more

I’ve also been thinking there’s a market for something like Fuelly for EVs. With all the data that needs to be collected it seems like an app would have to be able to leverage one of those OBD interfaces to gather the data and allow automatic updating of the consolidated data either manually or when charging is detected.

 

[Bandpear]

I’ve also been thinking there’s a market for something like Fuelly for EVs. With all the data that needs to be collected it seems like an app would have to be able to leverage one of those OBD interfaces to gather the data and allow automatic updating of the consolidated data either manually or when charging is detected.

I wonder if we can get that data from the dc charging network

 

[Bandpear]

I’ve also been thinking there’s a market for something like Fuelly for EVs. With all the data that needs to be collected it seems like an app would have to be able to leverage one of those OBD interfaces to gather the data and allow automatic updating of the consolidated data either manually or when charging is detected.

I like your idea, I will add to it instead of getting data from the obd because not everyone willl buy it or use it , how about an app like that reads the data from all charging dc apps and gather the info automatically?

 

[Bandpear]

Another thing Subaru/Toyota need to address is the 2 DCFC per-day limit. I just did a road trip from Los Angeles, CA to Santa Fe, NM and on the return trip I had to DCFC at the beginning of the trip because the overnight Level 1 charge did not get my SOC high enough for the first leg. I hit the 2 charge limit halfway through my drive for that day and then got excruciatingly slow charging speeds with stops taking 3+ hours to complete a charge even just from 15% - 64%. Other drivers were angry and yelling at me for sitting at a fast charger pulling near Level 1 charging speeds of 4 kw/h, which I can understand but I didn't have a choice unless I wanted to be stranded in the desert.

That’s terrible I did not even think about it , some of the assholes that were angry at you, some will hug a free level 2 chargers until their car are 100%.

 

[jg.]

I like your idea, I will add to it instead of getting data from the obd because not everyone willl buy it or use it , how about an app like that reads the data from all charging dc apps and gather the info automatically?

That would be great but there’s likely an authentication issue (and probably no formalized API) trying to get that data from proprietary sources.

 

[Bandpear]

That would be great but there’s likely an authentication issue (and probably no formalized API) trying to get that data from proprietary sources.

What about the connect app ,do you think we can have access to the API?