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This issue doesn’t completely make sense to me, but I’ll admit I’m not well versed in the details and minutiae surrounding it.

Vehicle manufacturers have been working with wheel lug nut/lugbolts for around 100 years, and now Toyota needs up to 90 days to engineer a solution to this problem?

I can’t help but wonder what part(s) I’m not understanding about this…
 

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The 90 days might be how long it takes to find all the vehicles in transit and apply the proper torque to the wheels.

I had a family member that had to find Jeeps on railheads and in other modes of transport to do the same kind of thing, but you don't stop the factory to ratchet up the torque on the automated bolt tightening machine.

Maybe they have to find a way to differentiate the new models to the robots.
 

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It was mentioned on the reddit thread that Toyota went to the Volkswagen style lug bolt instead of a standard lug nut. Can't Loctite that unless you never want to change a wheel/tire. Again, why Toyota? I've always hated the VW style of lug bolts vs lug nuts of other manufacturers. I imagine that there will need to be a mechanical change to fix this. I can see why it could be 90 days or longer, especially if retooling is needed. Lock washer (lol)?!? Maybe they just got a bad batch of wheel bolts or hubs with defective bolt holes?!?
I agree, I hate lug bolts. No other toyota or subaru uses lug bolts from my understanding. They are all lug nuts. So not sure why they did this.
 

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I agree, I hate lug bolts. No other toyota or subaru uses lug bolts from my understanding. They are all lug nuts. So not sure why they did this.
I had to google it to make sure I understood the difference. If you’re curious -

 

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Just wondering how you know your Solterra is on its way here? Have you received your VIN from Subaru or factory?
Canadian order, so it was a bit different than SOA. Dealers kept a list and ordered based on that list (Initially, it was expected to be 1 per dealer per month). I was first and ordered back in March. At that time only 3 colors were available for the first run, black/grey/white.

I was at the dealer yesterday and informed that it is in Montreal and on its way here. Should be here next week. The plan is for it to be roped off in the showroom until Canadian pricing is finalized.

Will keep the group posted.
 

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Subaru recall says (google translate), so only 92 units, and not all ~2600 as mentioned elsewhere

Car nameModelCommon name
Range of chassis numbers and production period of vehicles subject to recall

Number of vehicles subject to recall
remarks
SubaruZAA-XEAM10X"Solterra"XEAM10-0001021 ~ XEAM10-0001051
March 30, 4th year of Reiwa ~ April 21st, 4th year of Reiwa
Ten
ZAA-YEAM15XYEAM15-0001032-YEAM15-0001190
March 28, 4th year of Reiwa-May 23rd, 4th year of Reiwa
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 (2 models in total)(1 model in total)(Overall production period)
March 28, 4th year of Reiwa-May 23rd, 4th year of Reiwa
(92 units in total)
 

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Subaru recall says (google translate), so only 92 units, and not all ~2600 as mentioned elsewhere

Car nameModelCommon name
Range of chassis numbers and production period of vehicles subject to recall

Number of vehicles subject to recall
remarks
SubaruZAA-XEAM10X"Solterra"XEAM10-0001021 ~ XEAM10-0001051
March 30, 4th year of Reiwa ~ April 21st, 4th year of Reiwa
Ten
ZAA-YEAM15XYEAM15-0001032-YEAM15-0001190
March 28, 4th year of Reiwa-May 23rd, 4th year of Reiwa
82
 (2 models in total)(1 model in total)(Overall production period)
March 28, 4th year of Reiwa-May 23rd, 4th year of Reiwa
(92 units in total)
Welcome to the forum @mvdzwaan have you ordered a Solterra?
 

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From here:


TOKYO, June 24 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor (7203.T)shares slipped after it recalled some of its first mass-made all-electric cars, launched two months ago, because of a risk of wheels coming loose, a setback to its ambitions to electrify its model range.

Toyota, the world's largest automaker by sales, said on Thursday it would recall 2,700 bZ4X SUVs globally.

Subaru Corp (7270.T), in which Toyota has a nearly 20% stake, also said it was recalling about 2,600 units of the Solterra, a related model.

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The Solterra, Subaru's first all-electric vehicle, was jointly developed with Toyota and shares major components with the bZ4X.

The recall adds to problems at Toyota, which has been forced to cut production frequently this year due to the global chip shortage and other supply issues and is facing investor pressure because of its slowness in embracing battery electric vehicles (BEVs).

"It's embarrassing," said Christopher Richter, an analyst at CLSA. "People have waited so long for Toyota to get a mass market battery electric vehicle ... and just a few weeks after they get it in the market there's a recall."

But it "was not an indictment of the new electric vehicle system " he added, because the problem was a simple mechanical one and the fix was unlikely to be expensive.

Japan's safety regulator said sharp turns and sudden braking could cause a hub bolt to loosen, raising the risk of a wheel coming off the vehicle. It said it was not aware of any accidents being caused by the defect.


The problem was discovered after people in the United States had driven the cars, said an official at Japan's Ministry of Transport, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.

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Toyota had reported that one car, in particular, had been roughly handled. "We don't know who the driver was, but the driver drove the car very hard," the official said, adding that Toyota had found the problem, which affected only a few cars.

Spokespeople at Toyota and Subaru said the companies had not yet decided how soon they could fix the problem and proceed with the rollout, because the cause had not yet been determined.

Toyota said on Thursday that not every car of this model was subject to the recall but declined to say how many it had built overall.


Subaru shares, which fell nearly 5% on Friday, closed down 2.8%. Toyota stock closed 0.7%lower.

Once a favourite with environmentalists for its popular hybrid Prius model, Toyota has come under fire for not acting quickly enough to phase out gasoline-powered cars and for its lobbying on climate policy.

The company has repeatedly pushed back against the criticism, arguing the necessity to offer a variety of powertrains to suit different markets and customers. read more

Japan changed a key policy document to show its support for hybrids was on par that for with BEVs after a lawmaker cited the head of Toyota saying automakers could not back a government that rejected the technology popularised by the Prius, Reuters reported on Friday. read more

Gasoline-electric hybrid models remain far more popular in Toyota's home market than EVs, which accounted for just 1% of passenger cars sold in Japan last year, based on industry data.


If the cause hasn't been determined, how can they say not every car was subject to the recall?
 
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